Communists are "good" at Politics; Bad at Economics

Stolypin and Bukharin: Convergent Realists on Agrarian Modernization

Pyotr Stolypin and Nikolai Bukharin, though separated by ideology and revolution, shared a common economic intuition: Russia’s modernization depended on a productive peasantry.

Stolypin’s reforms aimed to dismantle the communal mir and establish a class of independent farmers, while Bukharin’s “Right Opposition” within the Bolshevik Party promoted the New Economic Policy (NEP) and the slogan “Enrich yourselves!”

In functional terms, both men saw agricultural surplus and private initiative as the necessary foundation for industrial growth. They rejected coercion in favor of incentives, believing prosperity would generate loyalty, Stolypin to the monarchy, Bukharin to socialism.

I would simply ask; what is the actual difference here, if both created slow growth in different ways. One with a small holder system, outside the party, and one with urban privileged bureaucrats inside the party. Either way, you have a Class System.

Bukharin believed a socialist state that evolved naturally from market conditions. Both tried to fuse stability with modernization, to harness self-interest for national progress. Yet both were destroyed by extremes, Stolypin by reactionary violence, Bukharin by Stalin’s ideological purges. Functionally, they pursued parallel paths: agrarian capitalism by decree versus market socialism by tolerance.

The Heirs of the Destroyed Class: From Kulaks to Nomenklatura

When Stalin liquidated the independent peasantry through collectivization, he obliterated the very social base that Stolypin and Bukharin regarded as essential. But the functions once performed by that class, production management, local initiative, and capital circulation, did not vanish. They re-emerged within the Party bureaucracy. The new collective farm chairmen, machine-tractor station directors, and ministry planners became the de facto successors of the kulak and petty bourgeoisie, exercising economic control without owning property.

So when you communists sneer about the petty bourgeoisie, I have to ask, what is the difference, between THEM, and the function of the many “pink collar” jobs that so many Leftist White Males crave, and feel cheated out of by the 2011 Wall Street class, and the just general overproduction of elites, that have ( not capitalism ) essentially cut you out of your power-chairs.

The Soviet bureaucracy, by analogy merely replicated the hierarchy it replaced. Power derived not from land or capital, but from appointment and access to resources. In Marxist terms, the Party created a new ruling class, administrative rather than proprietary, but performing identical economic functions. The result was a state that claimed to abolish class while reproducing it through command and privilege. The “productive elite” reappeared in uniform red, transforming class interest into bureaucratic continuity. What was once private initiative became state prerogative.

I am not saying I necessarily object, or am saying that one system is better than another at this point; merely that I do not see a difference in terms of ACTUAL POWER. I am not saying I object to your minor power-trip desk job.

However, there may be a difference, in that the small holder allows for internal market signals and some capital production to be allocated more efficiently without the need of threats and quotas.

Middle Managers and Smallholders: Two Systems, Same Goals

Both middle managers, the Nomenklatura under the Soviet plan and smallholders under a hypothetical Party-directed market system aimed at modernization and industrial growth. The difference lay not in goals but in feedback mechanisms. The Soviet manager operated through orders, quotas, and political accountability. The smallholder through market signals, profit, and personal initiative.

Each was disciplined by a different force: the former by hierarchy, the latter by competition. Where the manager sought safety in conformity, the smallholder sought reward through risk.

Functionally, the smallholder system would have been more adaptive and resilient. It would have relieved the Party of the burden of omniscience, allowing local information to guide production while retaining state oversight.

The same economic aims, electrification, industrialization, national strength, could have been achieved with fewer distortions and less coercion. The Party would be weaker politically but stronger economically. In this alternative Russia, capitalism and socialism would coexist as method rather than dogma, tied by common purpose rather than command.

My question would simply be this, was the strength of the party, and the necessity for that strength, justified not by Marxist ideology ( the ridiculous cover ) but simply by the political situation of Russia; you are running a large empire with enemies on both sides. I can understand a certain amount of paranoia. The thing is, none of that is justified primarily by the Marxist cover; as evidence by the fact, that all kinds of Marxists, will whine and complain, precisely about the “fascist” methods that the Soviet regimen effectively committed from its inception; all the way using the Marxism as the excuse.

I am not condemning them for this. I just find it broadly hypocritical to complain about a Hitler or Mussolini for behaving in tyrannical and irrational ways, when your own attempt to “build socialism” ends up ( unnecessarily perhaps ) to employ the same excuses, the same paranoia, the same elimination of both competent farmers and even competent economists in the process.

Continuity of Function, Collapse of Meaning

Across all these transformations, Stolypin’s reforms, Bukharin’s NEP, Stalin’s collectivization, and Brezhnev’s stagnation, the same structural need recurs: someone must organize production, accumulate capital, and enforce discipline. The names and ideologies change, but the function endures. Whether called the peasant proprietor, the kulak, the commissar, or the director, each serves as the hinge between state and labor, plan and practice. Russian modernization is thus less a story of ideological succession than of functional substitution.

The tragedy is that each substitution erased the previous form without resolving its contradictions. The peasant became a bureaucrat; the bureaucrat, an inert guardian of his own privileges. The result was neither capitalist freedom nor socialist equality, but a perpetual cycle of managerial autocracy. The lesson of the Russian twentieth century is not that classes vanish, but that they mutate. Where Stolypin saw citizens and Bukharin saw comrades, history produced clerks, each inheriting the power of the last, but none its spirit.

The Surplus of White Leftist Elites

What we are seeing today in Western liberal democracies, particularly among young, educated left-leaning and far-left men, mirrors a dynamic not unlike that of pre-revolutionary Russia.

Peter Turchin’s concept of “elite overproduction” is crucial: too many people are credentialed, ambitious, and ideologically primed for positions of influence, but too few positions exist within the managerial, academic, or cultural hierarchy to absorb them.

In the early 20th century, Russia’s “surplus” class was composed of landless peasants and underemployed intellectuals; today, it is disaffected graduates and mid-level technocrats who cannot advance in institutions already saturated with older elites.

The frustration this produces expresses itself ideologically, through you rage against “capitalism” or “the system,” but, in reality, this misdiagnoses the true cause. The issue is not market failure, where a lack of position for White Leftists are concerned, but structural saturation within the very class they wish to join: the liberal-managerial nomenklatura.

Just as Stolypin sought to create an independent class of smallholders to stabilize Russia, and the Bolsheviks replaced them with party managers to centralize modernization, modern liberalism has evolved its own version of the nomenklatura, an interlocking network of HR departments, NGOs, think tanks, university bureaucracies, and media hierarchies.

The “Leftist male” who expected to join this world finds himself excluded by demographic glut and ideological gatekeeping. Functionally, he is a dispossessed intellectual-peasant, as the Russian peasantry once was: overproduced, underemployed, and resentful.

The modern technocratic economy, like the Soviet command system, can only absorb so many mid-level ideological administrators. The result is the same sociological pressure that once fueled revolutions, a mass of ambitious but blocked individuals who redefine their class frustration as moral struggle. In both situations I see the system’s greatest vulnerability lies not in its oppressed base, but in its disappointed aspirants. This is even more ironic when one considers that the DEI that they all must champion in order to be thought “good people” further blocks them from the “Leftist Power” they all so crave.

DEI is both a moral litmus test and a rationing system for scarce elite positions. To gain entry into the hierarchy, one must perform allegiance to it, but the same ideology privileges demographic and identity-based criteria over ideological or intellectual ones.

The result is that many educated Leftist men, especially those who imagined themselves as natural vanguards of progress, find themselves locked out of promotion tracks within universities, HR bureaucracies, and NGOs.

The parallel to Bolshevik Russia is striking: under Lenin and Stalin, it was not the most competent or reform-minded peasants who rose, but those who best performed loyalty to Party doctrine.

The rhetoric was egalitarian, but the system rewarded obedience and punished independence, especially among those who resembled the old “kulak” class, the very stratum meant to stabilize modernization.

Today’s DEI regime performs the same function. It is simultaneously moral theater and class filtration: it separates the good, compliant functionaries from the disqualified majority of frustrated, redundant Leftist intellectuals.

In this sense, the ideology of inclusion has become the instrument of exclusion. The revolutionaries of the past were betrayed by bureaucratic necessity; the radicals of today are betrayed by the moral bureaucracy they themselves helped to build.

I see this as a version of the Demons in hell forcing you to sodomize yourselves; and you must sodomize yourselves because if you do not, they might force you down to a lower circle. So you must sodomize yourself forever. And blame heaven.

If the Neo-Nazi is stuck replaying 1918 to 1945; the Leftist is stuck somewhere between 1935 and 1991. They are stuck, emotionally and psychologically and socially in the 19th century, and economically hamstrung to the 20th century, unable to understand how managerialism simply sees them as surplus peasants. Economically, it is therefore the Left that is playing out a far greater absurdity than Hitler in his bunker; they shoot themselves in the head, not once, but every day.

I don’t think they were ever mad about class – class distinctions arise in small-scale communal systems. I think what they don’t like about civilization is permanence of authority.

In a small tribe or extended family, it’s a lot easier to oust or correct someone, since they’re people you know and care about. Leftists really do not like the fact that some guys they don’t know get to coerce them, and nobody can really challenge it. Hence the Enlightenment, hence Communism.

This also applies to social justice. Race and sex are immutable characteristics.

Wow … there be a lot in there. The “class” thing afterall just comes from Marx looking at all the English and French complaining about the industrial revolution. I guess “class” really was never a big concern once the industrial revolution succeeded.

You may be onto something there.

Class for them is like GOD, invisible, and does not really matter a whole lot. But who gets to be Priest, MATTERS A LOT.