Hanania vs. Moldbug on Southern suburbs

Metapolitics & General
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Hanania has commented with ridicule to Moldbug’s post:

I adored Moldbug’s essay here. He dropped new historical info, and he hit the nail on the head.

I’ve been thinking for……gosh IDK how long……about how conservatives don’t want to actually take over the society.

They want to “speak their voice“ and then to “get their voice heard.“

The most clear sign that a person is dying to be listened to is that they yell. A lot of conservative pundits yell. The ones that don’t yell, speak in a way that is like yelling but without the volume level. That’s Charlie Kirk.

Charlie Kirk, at some level, just wants the liberals in power to hear him and do whatever he might want. This is a ridiculous thing to ask, and the world cannot function in such a way. So he never gets what he wants. And he gets angry, because he’s hinged his future on this.

Moldbug is right about the Southern suburbs. 10 years or more before he wrote this, Richard Spencer was also denouncing the South and the suburbs of Dallas.

I rather doubt that there are many suburbs in NC with “plantation” in their name. As such, I doubt that Moldbug actually saw such a suburb. This is a knock on his credibility, in my opinion.

The plantation thing is more of a Deep South thing, and even then, it’s going out of style. I lived in an apartment in Charlotte once with “Colonial” in its name, and it was renamed to eliminate the “Colonial” reference. (Southerners used to love the colonial era American aesthetic)

But everything else is true. Many of these boomers in the South have no clue what their own country is like. They have no clue that the people in power aren’t people almost like them. They sometimes have no clue about the demographic transformation. They certainly have no clue about the nature of POC peoples feelings towards whites, and the fact that nobody is assimilating into their culture.

In addition to this, Moldbug is right, and Hanania is wrong, that there is rot. The rot is that these suburban families are shit-shows. The marriages are garbage, the kids are shooting up drugs, going LGBT, disowning their dysfunctional parents, and committing suicides and shootings. The kids that behave “well” are usually still emotionally unstable and uncool to the point that nobody wants to marry them. So the birth rates are low. Not as bad as Vermont, but still bad. The whites who pass on their genes are selected by the culture to be the whites who don’t know jack-shit about our society, because if they understood, they’d probably be miserable, and miserable people are not sexy enough to pass on our genes. So the next generation of boomers will be idiots, too.

In general, there is little upside to the Dallas suburbs. People live there to escape reality. But a bunch of people in a suburb who are traumatized by life cannot make a good society. And, more than anything, humans need the ability to become great and influential to give our lives purpose. Without purpose, the best outcome possible is “depression symptom management.” There is no way to be truly influential from the Dallas suburbs. It’s almost impossible. Thus, the Dallas suburb is a depression factory.

Hanania, by praising this form of life as a triumph of Americanism or something, is revealing how incredibly out-of-touch he is with human nature and human emotional needs. Why can he not understand? He claims autism, but we all know he is not autistic. He is merely afraid that he might be forced to reckon with the truth: like most conservatives, he never cared about human happiness in the first place.

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This ties into the problem of capitalist sublimation. Self-expression beats direct action.

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Is that actually true?

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I was really shocked by the collapse of my extended family. I wonder if all families are falling apart like this.

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He is definitely autistic. Have you seen his gooner posts?

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Conservatives are disgusting degenerates. Arguably just as bad as libtards.

They have no thoughts, no dreams. They are intellectually underdeveloped and are only now starting to catch up.

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From the psych perspective, yelling is a behavior that exists mostly to gather attention from people who might not be giving it.

Babies display this behavior when they are uncomfortable. They first fidget and move their heads, then if the parent doesn’t intervene to help them, they make some noises, and then if the parent still doesn’t intervene, they scream at the top of their lungs.

The reason for this is obvious for babies - they have no idea if their parents are nearby or if the parents are physically capable of hearing them. This is just because babies are really stupid. On top of that, babies can’t take care of their own needs. So they make their best effort to be impossible to ignore.

Now, for adults, we can understand and plan our own behavior. We can theoretically understand if our yelling is harmful, counter-productive, etc. But our big downfall is that we still have instincts that existed as babies, too. Adults can act like babies. What if you continue yelling, and you sort of get your way? What if you maintain a victim-mindset which causes you to deny the possibility that you can ever be a victimizer in a world that is fixed against you? In those cases, you will be in denial that your yelling is harmful or counter-productive.

This is why psychologists describe yelling as a behavior that exists in people who feel “unheard and unseen.”

In general, parents who see, hear, listen, and engage respectfully with their kids (which can indeed include reprimanding the kids!), over time, teach their kids how to negotiate for their needs/wants without yelling. This is how kids “grow out“ of yelling. They actually don’t grow out of anything. They are led out by good parents. In fact, children never grow out of any behavior - left in the wild, we would all continue to act mostly like babies forever. Only conscious effort and front-brained strategic thinking, stacked over generations of civilization, transmitted to new generations through good education, raises us to whatever level of maturity that we are not in.

Kids whose parents don’t listen and engage either continue yelling in adulthood (so long as they can intimidate their way with others and get what they want) or they become demoralized and deeply distrustful of other people in general after concluding that there is nothing they can do to have their needs respected by others (a.k.a. develop fatalistic beliefs), retreating inwards, becoming quiet and shy and non-verbal. These kids are just as dangerous as the toxic yellers, because they never get their way due to never taking action, and perpetually feel that the world is imposing on them and that they are victims. Many leftists are in this category actually. Some conservatives are, too. The leftists usually were sensitive kids in zero-empathy conservative families. They then grow up to believe looney things, like that normal economic systems with x degree of economic inequality are somehow deeply oppressive to the point of being impossible to find satisfaction within (rather than just a little oppressive and perfectly possible to live nicely within). Eventually, they realize that the solution to their woes is to take action and grasp power. After doing quite a bit of protesting, cancelling, fighting with conservatives over politics IRL, etc., they usually develop a sense of empowerment and confidence. They are able to go forward in life positively, usually marrying another liberal-leftist, and usually finding a happier ending than the conservatives.

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It’s a good thing to wonder. A very high percentage of whites are floundering. You can usually tell from posture, fatness, and voice. Laziness with work and psych med usage is also an indicator.

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I think that capitalism is not really the thing at fault here. I’ve met many liberals who are confident and enthused about the many ways that they are engaged in activism and even government. There are ways to take action and get involved, and conservatives just don’t do it.

The easiest way is to donate money. And conservatives still don’t do that. There are all kinds of studies on how liberals are more generous to political causes.

I think there is a moral and psychological aspect here.

Moral first. In order to usurp power, you generally must be 100% sure that you are fixing the moral rot of the ones in power, and that you are more competent. Conservatives, at some level, believe that liberals are generally “good people“ who might be a bit stupid in a few ways. This is demoralizing. In order to kick out the ones in power, you must understand them to be deeply flawed morally and strategically. There must be a character flaw in liberals.

I submit 3 ideas.

  1. The first is narcissism, as liberals seem, like narcissists, to be incapable of envisioning a future in which they aren’t awesome and dominant. Best examples I’ve seen recently are substack posts from Deep Left and Hanania about how American culture is so magnetic that we are just going to absorb and assimilate everyone and everything. Deep Left also claims that whites are going to get more ethnocentric, have more babies, and just be a juggernaut of an ethnic group that ultimately conquers. He poo-poos the intelligence and rising power of Chinese people (whether that be in China or the West).
  2. Beyond narcissism, I believe that liberals, like most Caucasians, have not truly adopted the belief that psychological harm is equally valid to physical harm. Hurting feelings and disturbing peace of mind are not high priorities to Caucasians.
  3. Lastly, Liberals agree with the logic of taking harmful pre-emptive actions to prevent future possible evils. You could call it “strike first to guarantee safety.“ The neo-conservative case of this is pre-emptive wars against Arabs to stop the Arabs from starting a war at some point in the future. The great Liberal sin of “strike first to guarantee safety“ is destroying borders, causing enormous psychological harm, under the belief that a world with borders might have wars in the future. Liberals and neo-conservatives are fundamentally the same as the anime villain who wants to destroy the world in order to create a perfect world.

Psychological second. Conservatives have low confidence. They worry that they are stupid. If you live in a red state or town, you know how these folks view Calculus as something that is like arcane Dark Arts. As if it’s a sign of supreme genius to learn Calculus. In reality, learning calculus at the high school or early undergrad level is no different from long division. It’s basically just a few algorithms. Only Calculus 3 gets a bit trickier with the need to figure out how to bound your integrals correctly. Being intimidated by Math is the same problem you will see with anything. It could be growing a business or doing some kind of art. They can’t work up the courage to advance themselves and do hard things. To pinpoint the cause of their stupidity, the problem is probably that they need to learn how to calm down their nervous system when they are anxious so that they can continue using their front brain. As I’ve seen when trying to help kids with math throughout my childhood, the kids who are really bad at math are terrified of it. I mean, like beads of sweat on the forehead kind of fear. It’s totally irrational, and obviously based in some kind of abuse from earlier in their life. But whatever the cause, the solution is the same - they have to learn to manage their amygdalas.