Tooky You Nigger

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I’m really fucking exhausted and overstimulated, but I am just distracted enough that I will respond to Tooky’s thoughts.

So, let’s just get this out of the way: Christianity and (sincere) Paganism are irrational and do not make any sense. Bill Gaede succinctly destroys these religions. The premise of there “being a” “God” (whatever the Hell that is supposed to mean) is a non-starter because we have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about. Nobody has defined the word exist in the last 10,000 years; all you will find are synonyms. This cuts the other way: atheism is equally guilty by proposing that “God” “doesn’t” “exist.” So atheism is just as irrational as theism. (And of course, that would put agnosticism in the same boat).

So if you’re going about it purely rationally, “believing” or “not believing” in a nonsense premise is, well, nonsense.

The question then becomes: do we believe in nonsense? Is this what being a nationalist is all about? Or is nationalism about saving Europeans from extinction? Because if you’re trying to achieve something in the real world, then why don’t you start with reality? Isn’t that the chessboard that we’re operating on? Why not think about things in a rational way?

So I agree with Tooky that this utilitarian shopping cart niggerism is quite offensive to my autism. But it is offensive not because it “won’t work” (which is a contradiction of your premise), but because it is politics wrapped up in smoke.

Look, what is spirituality? What does spiritual mean? Spirituality is an imaginative euphoria. And if you’re lacking that in your life – which is the stuff of life – then that is a technical problem.

The solution is not to believe in nonsense, but to fix what is psychologically wrong with you. It means living as naturally as possible, eating the right foods, building a meaningful life, or following a dream. It doesn’t mean believing that when you die you get a château and a fancy new hat.

Christians would have you believe that they are healthy and sane, whereas seculars are “defective” or “soulless” or “unhappy.” But this sounds like projection; Christians will say anything to push their point of view. If you can find some way to connect believing in God to = good / smart / successful / funny / fertile / moral / humble / lindy, they will take it. Some of them even imply that, in fact, yes – their religion is nonsense, but they believe it anyway.

The truth is, most people don’t really care about Christianity. It is held together by a core of true believers who dedicate their lives to its proliferation. These people are mentally unstable, and they need Christianity to fix their anxiety and trauma. If you actually talk to people who are really big into Jesus – the people who actually obsess about the religion and autistically consume its lore – those people are not doing so well. They’re very timid, and Jesus gives them the courage to be bigger, get out of their comfort zone, and be a responsible member of society. They are sensitive, and usually very nice, intelligent people. But this, for them, is therapy. It is the closest thing that these people will ever have to a sense of acceptance or parental love.

Europeans were just held hostage by these people, and when the Church lost its grip, they bolted for the doors. That’s what happened. Because it’s the same as spending your Saturday listening to the history of Christopher Columbus. It might be interesting to Academic Agent, but not so much to your common bumpkin. Christianity’s soul is found in the activist archetype.

Sure, most people who go to church are normal. But that’s just because they think it’s something that they have to do. They may even like the atmosphere and the stories, but come on, no one really cares about the Mother Mary idolatry controversy, or SSPX, or whether the Shroud of Turin was real or not. That stuff makes for a great iceberg video, but it’s not something that your mom or her sister is thinking about.

And so you shouldn’t get religion confused with the supernatural. Nationalism is a “faith” all on its own, but to somehow liven it with God is to jump to hasty conclusions. You don’t need God to have a puritanical obsession with white people. Recall that Marxism took over half the planet, and is still around to this day.

Moreover, what is the world but a bunch of objects? The objects move around in the way that they actually do, they don’t have to follow manmade “rules.” So the idea that the right ‘needs a leader’ is to violate all common sense. Leadership makes no sense in an atomized, egalitarian medium like the internet. This is to say that power must be acquired through some alternative method – though the specifics of what that is, that’s another subject.

Moreover (again), Paganism is clearly just a form of ancestor worship. It’s not about seriously bringing such and such cult to the political arena, it’s about connecting with one’s ancestors. I wouldn’t take it so seriously, beyond aesthetics. I happen to like it, but I understand it’s not so important.

Moreover moreover moreover, you cannot decide what religion the far right is going to have. It’s a deracinated space. Conformity was once enforced through peer pressure and authority games. The internet is a place where anyone can say and do whatever they want. So the keystone HAS to be something that we all have in common. And that would be politics. If you love white people, you’re in. And if you don’t, you’re at best a nuisance and at worst an enemy that must be defeated.

Moreover moreover moreover moreover, the best policy for a white ethnostate, as the Germans themselves realized, is religious freedom (that is, within reason). I would vehemently encourage OUR GUYS – however many are open to the idea – to explore materialism and the Rational Scientific Method. After all, that is the only way to make sense of philosophy, psychology, and other high-level topics of metapolitical import. But I understand that such ideas make little sense when they are first presented.

My wrists hurt and I have to go now. I apologize if I was in any way rude, to anyone, in this response.

I agree 100%.

The right-wing is trying to be everything for everyone in its huge coalition. All politics is coalition politics.

The right-wing coalition has Christians who feel, in that most sensitive place in their heart, that saving Christianity is equivalent to saving “their civilization.” They will never shut up about it.

The right-wing coalition also has the rich-capitalist wing. These are the people who never want to pay reparations after wars, never want to extend social welfare programs, never want to extend mental health programs, and never want to raise the minimum wage.

These factions simply are not part of “the cause” for white advocates. There is no need to entertain them.

Begin to act like a king, and you will be surprised how much better you get at being a king. A king does not allow any person to walk into his court. You have to be pretty great to hold court, and you have to be deeply respectful. Bad, foolish people have no place in the presence of great people.

It’s time to stop entertaining the nutcases and the evil people. Stick to the cause, make yourself unavailable, and maintain purity in your focus. Everybody knows that this is the only rational thing to do, the only thing that works, and also, the only thing that one is emotionally capable of doing in an authentic way.

Internet atheism was annoying and cringe, but the Christians have really become them. They inject themselves into every conversation and talk about atheism non-stop every single day. Even though, atheism hasn’t been a force on the internet since 2013.

And apparently, atheism is really boring but Christianity is not?

And if you notice, they’re constantly presenting their religion as this cool and exciting gigachad thing, when this is the actual service:

They know that their religion isn’t very interesting – at least not to the general public – and they are clearly insecure about it. And that’s why they try to make a case that we are “nothing” without them – that you need a supernatural theory to have a plausible movement. Because really, they are nothing without us. They need to enforce their religion, at the barrel of a gun.

I still think your ‘define exist’ thing is a massive stumbling block you put in front of your own mental processes that you only partake in to feel intellectual but is legitimately crippling your own capacity to understand certain concepts by locking yourself into a reality that consists only of a singular, three-dimensional plane and no higher truths that exist beyond space.

I think ‘exist’, ‘is’, ‘be’, etc, are words whose definition is a fundamental part of language. Saying to define ‘exist’ is like asking what an electron is made of.

Yet, in your desperation to define it, you have settled for the most ramshackle substitute in “It has shape and location”, thus mutilating the definition of ‘existence’ to ‘existence within space as a physical object’. You’ve mutilated your thinking on a fundamental level to only understand the most basic word in a limited range of its uses by equating that limited range of uses (physical existence) to the entire definition of the word (existence) itself, and have essentially let your intellectualism mentally gouge out your eyes towards abstract or spiritual existence.

Then, when you can’t comprehend what either of those things are, you accuse people who can of talking nonsense, because it doesn’t make any sense to you, because your personally-established logic has locked you out of seeing the sense in it.

tl;dr I think your whole ‘define exist’ thing was a bit wanky to begin with but now it seems like it’s making you attack people’s religious conception because it has made you incapable of understanding religious concepts and you’re blaming religious people for that

Can’t have religion without metaphysics so yeah if metaphysics are rugpulled away; religion collapses with it on some technical fundamental level. Plenty of people have in this concrete perspective. The definition gymnastics is just another path to reach the same well-known conclusion about metaphysics.

However once you move past the metaphysical mumbo jumbo you get left with a simple guide book. These are your “Cultural” Christians. Even Richard Dawkins recently pivoted to this.

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A lot of outdated religions have weirder rules. It’s basically “What if narcissism was law.” Everything appeals to some selfish instant gratification thing. Norse pagan vikings were literally murder rape pirates and I’m tired of pretending they weren’t. They became a lot less murder raidy after Christianity too. I know Christians had crusades but I think in terms of averages. It’s not a question of what system has no violence but rather, on average, what system is the least violent?

Christianity is kind of cringe but it’s mostly because people don’t see immediate results and feel weak because of it. Everyone hates that “The meek will inherit the Earth” idea but it’s simply that people who avoid trouble; will avoid trouble. Every troublemaker that inserts themselves into drama and conflict will probably fall because of it and naturally everyone who stayed out of it conflict got ignored and lived because of it.

Christianity also creates high trust societies. Like the whole honesty thing really helps society in the long run. Why is the American economy so strong when the debt is so huge? Because the debt is cyclic and America unironically pay debts off better than everyone else. That’s one of the many powers of a high trust society. Trying to pretend you don’t have debts to pay doesn’t work and resources alone don’t bring in success. In more pragmatic terms: playing the long game usually beats playing the short game.

Is religion the only answer? Probably not. Is religion effective? Absolutely. The majority of people also believe in metaphysics. So if a good rule book is reinforced with metaphysics; people are going to eat that up like candy.