I’ve been contemplating this idea for a long time, which seems to be the main premise for most of White Nationalist Christians is the notion that the Whites are Gods truly chosen people, and the modern Jews are some sort of genetic imposter who has come along to claim their name.
This premise fails for a number of reasons:
Genetic Adaptation and Physical Appearance.
If Whites are the race with fair features, there is no reason to suggest that they would have developed biologically from the Middle East. Our genetic adaptations acclimatize us for the cold Northern Environments of our fatherlands, and is the product of thousands of years of genetic struggle, if not more. The only theory that could suggest otherwise would be if some of our kind migrated back to the South from the North, but this leads me to my next point-
Biblical and Historical descriptions.
If we take the Bible as reliable, simply none of the protagonists or quote “Good People” of the Bible match our physical descriptions, i.e. those who are the tribes of Israel do not resemble us in feature.
Overlooking this, we also see the same thing in just about every other historical account of the ancient Jews. Though overlap exists, this is largely due to a mixing of peoples, but speaks nothing to the genetic purity of Northern European folk.
Origin of the Philistines.
In the story David and Goliath, we see that Goliath is significantly taller than the Jewish David. Other descriptions of the Philistines would also indicate that they were a generally taller people, but how could this be?
According to archeological records, the Philistines were actually formed by an influx of a genetic group moving in from Greece/Mediterranean areas. This would corroborate the notion that some groups in the Middle East at the time did in fact have genetics from European bloodlines, but it is important to notice two things, that of:
A. These groups were not pure blooded Whites, and were a bastardized mix.
And B. These groups are not often presented as the Israelite’s or Ancient Jews, but often as their Enemies!
Furthermore, evidence that these were not pure bred Whites, nor the Ancient Jews, can be seen in the modern day in the Philistines descendants, the Palestinians, who are even further from European genetics than their ancestors (Though still harboring their ancient animosity towards the Semitic peoples).
It seems clear to me from this premise that this rhetoric is used only to convert otherwise well intentioned Whites to join Christianity, and consequently act against the prosperity of their own folk via practicing Christian Morality (Charity, abolishment of Racial Distinctions (Galatians 3:28), Faith placed in Jews, etc).
Throughout history, there are great lapses in our knowledge, though can be pieced together by cross referencing descriptions from different historians and nations throughout history.
Who the Ancient Whites were is a point of knowledge that they have long attempted to destroy, most especially Christianity under the Carolingian Empire and so on. They want to erase every trace of our Pre-Christian existence, so that we will feel we have no choice but to take solace in a foreign religion, written by a foreign and mixed people.
While I myself am not a ‘race realist’ type, let me just point out, Galatians 3:28 is about the mode of salvation, not about there being no real differences between male and female, etc. It means that ‘in Christ’, that is, in the process by which we are saved, sex/status/race doesn’t matter.
It actually makes me cringe a little how modern evangelists are like “the Bible says people are people because they’re made in the Image of God and we should be nice to each other, and racism isn’t considered nice, therefore racism specifically is a cardinal vice and is the subject of the secret eleventh commandment, ‘y’all can’t be heckin’ racist or I’m locking the thread’”
Indigo has read 2 posts about Ancient jews today, he is probably going to get fatigued about this topic.
Me too man, although my fatigue centers around the worship of those ancient desert war criminals.
Whites, blacks, jews, they all hold the ancient jews in high esteem, and yet, if asked what their weapons, armor, and clothing were like, they have no answers.
I am of the opinion that Whites cannot be the ancient jews on the grounds that the ancient jews are extinct.
I shall simply copy paste the text I said to indigo today:
“I just realized something funny. Hispanics speak the same language (spanish) and have the same religion (Christianity) as the White conquistadors who conquered them centuries ago. The hispanics also descend from those conquistadors. And yet, if they were teleported to 1500’s Spain, they would be shunned as outsiders due to being genetically different. Ergo, present day jews are worshipping a group that would be racist against them. (The ancient jews)”
Sidenotes: While judiasm warns against race mixing, and many rabbis tell jews to not intermingle, most jews today are askenazi, and askenazi are part German, part Turkish.
DNA dont lie! They must have done a lotta mixing at some point. Probably after being exiled by Romans, they resorted to both outer mingling and inbreeding to pass genes.
The fact that the ancient jews would be racist to the present day mixed jews is not up for debate. They almost certainly would not care that present day jews speak the same language and have the same religion. Even Jesus would rebuke outsiders, case in point, the Canaanite woman.
Their practices of usury and deception hasn’t changed though, even if their genetics have been altered via racial infiltration, they are still spiritually the same, and carry the most genetics of those ancient lines. Regardless of what they are today, they are just the same as they were back then, the enemy of mankind and of healthy righteous living.
On Julias Evolas remarks in the Myth of the Blood, non practicing jews still serve the biological interests of practicing jews by infiltrating other cultures. The creed of non-mixing only applies to the higher caste jews so to speak, while the lower ones earn salvation via abandoning all principles in their pursuit of the destruction of others.
I disagree. The morality that grants salvation to all peoples along the same axis of evaluation is spiritually deprived.
Saying that salvation shall be granted to two peoples so long as they simply believe in a concept, both of whom having vastly different manners of conduct and who should be judged separately (Regardless of what parallels exist) is not healthy for a Nation, or a worldview.
It is proto-marxism, conditioning people to overlook biological and observable realities in favor of ideological narratives, which ultimately serves the aims of the Magi and other false prophets who, despite being vile men, wish to be judged upon the same grounds as more righteous men.
If we are to apply an objective standard to all peoples, that standard would naturally have to account for biological components, or forever be lacking in how it deals out judgement. For the spirit to is transmitted biologically from fathers to sons, from mothers to daughters, and sparing an individual of their judgement for their crimes overlooks the same capacity for their children to perpetrate those same actions under the guise of their parents pardon.
Christianity is anathema to healthy successful nations, and will always work from within to undermine a groups success.
Most Christian theology connects faith to more than affirmation of a concept as true within the mind, it’s treated as something more mystical and more consequential to the will, and thus one’s habitual conduct
Yet nowhere is this internal logic made explicit, its only present through radical interpretation, and where this interpretation is absent we can see only the same vague mysticism of most occult language, using vague wording and ill defined metaphors to convey half willed concepts.
At most, the positive and more rigidly defines aspects of the doctrine are only expressed in relationship to the Jews, which we know through archeological evidence, linguistic roots, and genetic testings, do not apply to our own people, making them, at best, faulty prescriptions of our unique spiritual essence, lacking in clarity, and at worst, absolutely worthless or destructive towards us and our unique biology.
“Radical interpretation” It isn’t really radical if you want the Bible as a whole to make sense at all. If you’re a believing Christian, then you believe it must make sense, so the ‘radical’ interpretation is anything but – it’s the only available one.
Whenever you’ve ruled out the impossible, what remains must, however improbable, be the truth. If you’re a Christian, you’re dedicated to the thought that it is impossible for the Bible to be wrong. Christians are therefore ‘cornered’ into whatever interpretation renders the Bible as not full of contradictions and inconsistencies.
If you don’t interpret the Bible as I’ve described, you either have a collection of books that say that faith both saves (Mark 16:16) and can’t save if you are without works (James 2:14-16), and then yet says that “It is by faith we are saved, through grace, and this is not of yourselves, not of works lest any man should boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9), or you just randomly decide that some books aren’t canon, like Martin Luther did and then recanted on
In other words, the idea I’ve put forth is the only hope anyone has at being Christian and yet having a brain.
By Radical interpretation, I would mean that almost the entire thing requires interpretation because it lacks explicit cohesion. One interpretation ties into another interpretation, and from these we get a cascade of endlessly degenerating sects, whose divisions are caused by the implicit or otherwise poorly defined internal logic of the book.
A truly refined moral code has to make itself explicit for Low IQ and High IQ people alike, as well as midwits. The Bible, in its deliberate attempt at obfuscating itself, does not do this. So you either get low IQ people who can’t understand it properly, or High IQ people who are often arriving at various contradictory conclusions, but in either case the lack of cohesion destroys the ability for any community to maintain Itself longterm, and condemns its practitioners to the constant cultural atomization we have so clearly seen from its history.
The only hope I see of maintaining what Christianity provides is to take those good elements that aid in cohesion and use them to help divine a more robust and cohesive philosophy. This I reckon is what the Germans were trying to do in the 1930s, purifying these elements
Interesting post, but would the ancient Jews be racist against the current Jews, if they knew for certain the current Jews inherited the cultural mantle, the covenant with God, fair and square? (not that I’m saying they did, just hypothetically)
The Jews have had the matrilineal ethnic definition for a while, right? When their men are killed and their women are taken, it’s convenient for a tradition if they can just say the half-breeds count as full-breed.
Without this context or guarantee, it makes sense that a random ancient Hebrew would treat a modern Jew as a foreigner.