The Dissident Right is Dead

Metapolitics & General
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I’m a member of the Basketweavers – it’s an IRL network, and we often meet up. I was also briefly in Identity Evropa. Nothing happens with these IRL meetups.

Also notice that nothing substantial IRL emerges anywhere. It’s just people hanging out or going to concerts etc. That’s not to say that these people are lazy, it’s just that there is literally nothing that we could do that has any meaningful impact. We can’t even imagine anything that would have a meaningful impact.

IQ is how fast you are at solving puzzles. It does predict life outcomes very well, but someone with a lower IQ can defeat a 130 IQ merely by studying more and having an open mind.

Like just because you own a Ferrari in your garage does not mean that you have done anything with it. A guy who keeps his Ferrari parked in his garage will always have less mileage than someone who uses a less capable car. Most people keep their cars in the garage.

Moreover, there really aren’t any normie-tier minds within our movement. We’re talking about really intelligent people who were able to figure out that anti-racism is a cult.

Lastly, the ideal virtuoso is someone who is naturally ideal anyways. I do not think that all white nationalists will be right for what I am talking about.

The ideal virtuoso is someone who is:

  • Hypersensitive
  • Open to experience
  • Secular
  • Creates content
  • Actually interested in the Virtuosity concept
  • And able to understand Bill Gaede’s work

This is someone like a Ryan Faulk or Richard Spencer. I don’t expect most white nationalists to get what I’m doing.

But I think that the concept can be successfully demonstrated to get more people to try it.

Intelligence makes all of those things easier. Without intelligence you could do none of those.

This is not a true dichotomy anyways. It’s not like we have to choose between acting and studying. By studying I do not mean reading 1,000 books from cover to cover. I really mean paying attention at all times.

  • Watching people, and how they behave.
  • Uncovering patterns in one’s daily routine.
  • Watching oneself think.
  • Mulling over ideas while one works.
  • Talking to oneself.
  • Studying economically (for example, breaking down a text with AI and then reading the sections that stand out to you)
  • Eclectically combining ideas from random sources (for example, using George Zipf to re-formulate Joseph Nicolosi)

By studying at all times, one is always practicing – and yet one is never interrupted by life. One is more like a true virtuoso.

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The Asatru folk assembly, RTTL, the patriots of Australia, or even Orania in South Africa. They have all achieved tremendous things through organization. Sure, if your pool is limited, or people aren’t really galvanized and giving the most effort to creating things, that is a problem, but that is where you as a person of knowledge have the utmost agency to introduce some direction to whatever it is your a part of. Make suggestions:
“Lets do some community outreach.”
“Lets get involved in local government.”
“Lets do some on the street activism to show people that we’re not idiots.”
“Lets organize land grabs.”
“Lets start a book club.”
“Lets start a mens club where we all set goals and then hold each other accountable in fulfilling them.”

You clearly recognize a problem, but if you have knowledge and you aren’t introducing people to some kind of real world action, you are just as much a part of the issue you’re describing, and simply spending more of your time Talking or Thinking about what needs to be done isn’t going to bring you any closer to taking action if you’re too afraid to speak up or organize with people.

There is plenty of good things happening, ask yourself why you aren’t surrounded by it.

“but someone with a lower IQ can defeat a 130 IQ merely by studying more and having an open mind.”

No, they absolutely cannot. IQ measures the ability to even make inferences in the first place, you can’t train to do something your mind is physically incapable of doing. That is like saying that somebody with genetic traits that give them a larger frame and more slow twitch muscle fibers can be beaten in a Strength competition by a 5 foot Somalian if the Somalian simply tries hard enough.
Why can’t the 110 IQ guy match the 130IQ guy in intelligence? Uh, purely socio-economic factors, lmao.
“Like just because you own a Ferrari in your garage does not mean that you have done anything with it.”
You’re also arguing for anecdotal exceptions now lol. Sure, some high IQ people don’t do anything with their intelligence or take action, but generally they do achieve more, as IQ is a predictor of success in just about every field, and even somebody with a high IQ still has more potential then somebody with a Low IQ even if they don’t do anything with that ability.

Midwits and even low IQ people can arrive at our conclusions, but they do so through action, and that is where you are getting at the truth, and the point that I’ve been trying to get at as well. The only demerit towards morality and success is Action, for thinking about the problem does not mean you’re actually solving the problem, and this is where a Low IQ or Midwit can surpass somebody with High IQ, but generally the people who will recognize the issue and take action are on the higher end of the spectrum.

You can access more of Your potential by applying yourself, yes, but you aren’t going to alter your potential this way, as whatever potential you have is genetic and ingrained in you from birth. Whether its a book or a lived experience, its the same thing.

Quantity does not equal Quality.

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I’m aware of those projects, and I support them.

The real problem that you’re missing is the coherence of our routines.

I use the term ‘perfected routine’ to refer to routine that has gone through a lengthy process of trial and error.

Take the case of a man who walks to the store every day. On his first trip, he takes 20 minutes, crosses a busy street, and finds himself in a bad part of town. On his fifteenth trip, he takes 5 minutes, crosses under a chain link fence through an alleyway shortcut, and says hello to a street vendor he met several days prior. That is a perfected routine.

Perfected routines are the basis of culture, community, and mass movements. If you want to have a parallel institution, then the institution must be built on such routines.

But capitalism is a dynamic system, where everything is constantly changing. Businesses open and close, people move from one location to the next, attention is fickle, political factions rise and fall, the stock market changes how it works.

You can’t build anything stable in an environment that has no consistency. Getting involved with your church is not meaningful when everyone who goes to that church will leave and move somewhere else within the next few years.

The process of merely getting coffee is important. Your route, the people who enter, what you order, and so on all matter as you root yourself in an area. But all of that is constantly getting disrupted. There is always someone new at the coffee shop. There is always something out of stock. It’s all invisible, but added up, it matters.

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When the fly fishing store in your town shuts down, you are indirectly affected. It’s like the Butterfly Effect, except it affects the sophistication of your routines. It makes your routines less economical, less intelligent, less secure. And so on.

When you develop perfected routines, your power increases. But when your routines are slowly changing, it’s like acid: they degenerate over time. And so anything that you build in the real world is temporary. You have to constantly put greater and greater amounts of effort into maintenance and expansion.

That is why you don’t see mass collective action anymore. The only routines that are being perfected are those of work and consumerism.

The way that you get around this is by being a perfectionist. Perfectionism has anti-capitalist properties. Because a product that is excellent cannot easily be replaced by something else.

And the more sophisticated we are intellectually, the more that our real-world decisions are excellent.

You say quantity vs. quality, but what I’m aiming for here is quality. You want action NOW. But if you want it to actually be good, it has to be planned.

Unfortunately, our society is completely antagonistic to the idea of perfectionism. We applaud efficiency, and efficiency only. It does not matter what an activist does so long as he is doing something. But it is this efficiency that makes coherence impossible. You put up a crappy-looking window so you replace it with another crappy-looking window. And suddenly every house looks like this:

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Cold, sterile, easily replaced.

The problem with Return to the Land, Orania, etc is that from a systems perspective, they are insular: they can revise their own routines, but they cannot develop long-standing relationships with the surrounding environment. Which is why such projects feels forced or artificial.

So they have potential, but not very much. We need something far more effective – to completely change the relationship between the radicals and the powers that rule over them. And that, I think, comes from the perfection of a strategy, and the greater crystallized intelligence of the community as a whole.

Because once the libtards import enough immigrants, and they pack the courts with ideologues – places like RTTL are in a heap of trouble. We need real power, not rootless lifeboats.

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How do you propose establishing long term changes by ignoring the grassroots cultivation? RTTL and Orania might not be able to alter those large scale things as of yet, but they are working towards it, and they are building an actual foundation.

They don’t need the potential to alter the system, but secure prosperity for themselves. If the system collapses, the Amish and the Mormons have the ability to be self sufficient, they are relatively self sufficient even now. With enough groups like this, we can establish a foundation for self defense.

You’re not going to change or alter the pre-existing system at this point, we are outnumbered, and it is owned completely by the enemy. If you want to secure power, we need our own institutions, our own land, etc. Play the game to the extent that it is beneficial, but don’t think you’re ever going to enact real change. There are 100 Indians in every college and political field that will, due to the effects of democracy, always over power you if you play their game of quantity.

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What I’m saying is that you have grass, no grassroots. It’s a bag of dead grass.

Grassroots is supposed to translate into power. But without the actual roots, there is nothing of any substance. It’s just a bunch of people waiting for the Great Replacement to be over.

People are being raped and killed every day. Countries are getting completely overrun. You don’t wait for this to be over, you try to stop it. Because it’s not like the system collapses that the Owners of the West put a crown on Aarvoll’s head, and put him in charge of everything. That’s not how it works.

In the 21st Century, power is mediated through information, and through the database that we call money. You don’t build institutions, you buy them. Then you use those institutions as leverage over the government. You use this leverage to end democracy.

Whenever we encounter an obstacle, we always go “it’s impossible!” But this is just learned helplessness: there is no heroism in giving up or retreating.

Look at what happens when you put your mind to something:

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Modern activism looks more like 4chan’s ‘capture the flag’ campaign. It’s about using very narrow information to outsmart the established institutions.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnw9ZWQHcgHkUhRS5enkQqNOYPR3jp0pv

The activism is authentic, it’s adapted to the current material conditions, and it produces real results.

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You know this gives me an idea: what if projects like RTTL are used to get out of working and live communally? That way we could dedicate more time towards studying.

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These movements are alive and quiet active, not only in securing land and homes for our people, but gaining enough support that Far-Right political parties are actually gaining traction in Western Nations. Both things can be true at once, but I’d argue that without securing the economic or social groundwork, it’s all pointless.

You are not going to fight off billions of non-whites who have just as much power as us politically and are more inclined to quantitative breeding patterns, it’s just a losing strategy. Democracy is the rule of the many over the few, we are outnumbered, and we will never win in numbers.

Do you really expect any of these people to vote for our interests? Or to sit idly by as we take over these institutions by some other means?

Our safety is what is important, how can we secure our safety without safe communities for our people to live in? Nobody is waiting for anything to be over, we’re taking meaningful action now while we can, so we have a means of physically defending ourselves when the “elites” finally decide to make a real move.

You cannot stop a democracy where you are the minority. By the time you actually manage to convince enough Whites to your side, which is a big ask, you will be outnumbered.
We don’t need rulers or kings, we shouldn’t wait for somebody to bail us out, nor should we expect an inherently hostile and flawed system to act in our favor. We have to act now to secure our own, physically, not politically. Set a good example of conduct for the willing Whites to see the virtue of our actions and what we’re fighting for.

Political action will also mean aligning yourself with mutts and racial competitors like Fuentes, who devalue our efforts and actively try to undermine us from within. There is absolutely no winning this way.

Secure the Blood, secure the Genetics, nothing else is of value.
Information is flooded by misinformation, so again, you aren’t going to win when you are surrounded by a bunch of low IQ invaders who will A. Not share your ideals and B. Are too stupid to ever understand them. As with the previous point, their IQ will never change, because it is genetic.
You’re thinking like a jew, buying up the preexisting institutions instead of creating our own. Whites have always moved away and created our own things, that’s how we’ve stayed ahead and avoided our destruction, we don’t need the merits of others.

You seem to be the one with learned helplessness, futilely spending your energy fighting in a system that has no possible way of securing our existence, while denying the merit of people actually building real communities.

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I don’t deny their merit, I just think that their merit is wildly overstated.

The IRL stuff should have mooned a long time ago. Since it has not, it probably isn’t following the path of least effort.

Like, even Orania is really small. How do you only have a population of 3,000 when you live in a black hellhole?

Now, here are the populations of the 20 closest towns near Orania:

# Town / settlement Approx. distance from Orania Population
1 Luckhoff ~35–45 km NE 3,699
2 Hopetown ~38 km NW / 43 km by road 10,259
3 Petrusville ~40–50 km SE 5,211
4 Vanderkloof ~40–50 km E/SE 1,228
5 Philipstown ~70 km S/SE 3,365
6 Strydenburg ~70–80 km SW 2,987
7 Koffiefontein ~75–85 km NE 10,402
8 Ritchie ~90 km N/NE 14,850 urban area / 7,610 main place
9 Fauresmith ~90 km E 3,628
10 Philippolis ~95–105 km SE 3,648
11 Jagersfontein ~100 km E 5,729
12 Douglas ~105–115 km NW 20,083
13 De Aar ~105–120 km S/SW 23,760 main place
14 Britstown ~120–130 km SW 5,145
15 Colesberg ~120–135 km SE 16,869
16 Hanover ~125–140 km S 4,594
17 Gariep Dam ~130–145 km SE 1,568
18 Petrusburg ~130–150 km NE 944 town proper; nearby Bolokanang much larger
19 Prieska ~150–165 km W 14,246
20 Bethulie ~160–180 km E/SE ~16,000

This is in collapse-tier conditions. There is no Volkstaat coming anytime soon. The birthrate is high, yeah that’s true. But at the current rate of growth, it will take 37 years to reach 100,000 people. That would only make it the 85th largest city in the country.

It gets worse when you look at a project like RTTL. The population of South Africa is between 65.3 and 65.4 million. The population of the United States is 342.5 millon. So this means that whatever population growth you get to RTTL has to be many times larger than what you have in South Africa. Because even if you’re not participating in democracy, you are aiming for a significant power center. And with 100,000 people, you are a drop in the bucket. You don’t matter.

So really, the Amish are many times more important than RTTL. The population of the Amish is 400,000.

But they are not significant either. Their population IS booming – it doubles roughly every 20 years – but it’s not enough to form some kind of state within the boundaries of the US.

2026 - 400,000
2046 - 800,000
2066 - 1,600,000
2086 - 3,200,000

By 2066, you have surpassed the population of Rhode Island.

By 2086, you have surpassed the population of Arkansas.

3.2 million vs. 340 million. The numbers just don’t add up.

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Like sure, it’s great that some people are creating safe communities where the race can survive. But in the same amount of time that they created these little pockets, we’ve already been swamped over, tens of millions of white women have been raped, and every last shred of European culture (from architectural wonders to art galleries and so on) has been destroyed.

It would be more effective – and less effort – to merely change the system itself.

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We’re not ever going to match the populations of races whose breeding strategy involves mass production, especially not when we are as economically and spiritually strained as we are.

I do agree that we should use the system to the extent that we can, and if it reveals itself to you to be where you wish to invest your time, more power to you. But there will be no total revision of the system, it is impossible. Democracy is a battle of numbers, and we are outnumbered. We can garner some degree of public sympathy from this system, but it will never favor us entirely.

Recall that these people also need to sustain themselves. If our enemies cannot sustain themselves, they will eat each other. The ethnic wars of the future will largely take place between non-white factions. Rural Whites in the middle of nowhere will not even be on the radar in that case.

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White nationalism is not a matter of whether or not it’s possible. If you love something enough you will fight until the last breath.

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I study every single day. I take notes, I work on problems.

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Every day the light at the end of the tunnel gets a little brighter. I may never reach my goal, but I continue to try anyways.

That is my alternative to self-expression. That is my ‘doing something.’

I don’t know anyone in the community who thinks like this. The closest would be Ryan Faulk – he thinks in a utilitarian manner. But he gave up years ago.

You become powerful when you develop self-confidence. When you become a fanatic. When you look at a problem and you can say “I can figure that out.”

This is more of a Japanese mentality: to never give up, no matter what happens. I wish more people had it.

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Yeah I agree.

Muskowitz buying Twitter and making “far right” people online more common has been a disaster.

The “far right” stopped being edgy and interesting, they are now common and have fallen into the same pitfalls as all common politicalgroups, namley mindless opinion tribalism, self contradicting beliefs, and overal just becoming basic and annoying.

Hyjacked?

Hyjacked.

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I think that eventually they will come to my conclusion which is that you need something like Virtuosity to take power.

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It seems that this thread is a long walk around the barn to reinventing the very subculture of diy/punk/anarchists/leftists. Countless ink has been spilled pontificating and debating over whether this or that approach or tactic or practice is ‘revolutionary’ or otherwise. They have built up a pretty respectable machine, given the numbers they are able to field at demonstrations and the like. Of course, there is institutional money coming in the back door in various ways and that cannot hurt matters. But in the end, with all their numbers and mutual aid and direct action committees etc etc etc, are they handing the means of production to the working fellow or doing anything otherwise actually revolutionary and radical? No. What are they doing, exactly? Acting as stand-in jobbers for the DNC and NPR &etcetcetc? That seems closer to the mark. And I say this as some one who, in my younger years, was rather deeply enmeshed in such milieux.

I will refrain from parading my hobby horse opinions about the utility of politics to the unpowerful generally but I will say I believe the die is quite cast for the sorts of political arrangements which are amenable to the productive infrastructure of modern societies. It behooves us now to do the greatest and most unthinkable thing of all: endure.

Good riddance to the e-right, honestly. There are a few grifters to whom I will still lend an ear but proliferation, as it so often is, has been deadly. I suppose there is nothing worse than being common, what with all the highly triggered church ladies who get let in.

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It is true that the Marxoids spend thousands of hours babbling about signs and simulacra, and that this hasn’t resulted in anything.

What I’m doing is different, because I’m using a new version of the scientific method. Bill Gaede’s ‘Rational Science.’

This method makes it extremely easy to understand physics, philosophy, psychology, etc.

Over the last 5 years, I have been using it to clarify narrow topics, especially ones pertaining to art.

Imagine an alien came down from space and dropped an object that can explain the answer to almost any scientific or philosophical mystery. That is the RSM.

The problem with Gaede’s work is that nobody will humor it. They hear him speak for a bit and then they write it off, and go on with their day.

It doesn’t make sense at first. I heard him talk sometime in 2018, and I thought it was nonsense. Then I heard him speak again in 2021 and realized that what he said makes total sense. And since then it has taken years to understand all of his arguments.

I don’t agree with every single thing he says, but he definitely knows what he’s talking about, and his work could be used to break white nationalism out of subculture. In fact, I know it can because I already figured out what the problem was.

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Aside from the Subculture angle, I think there is something else that was wrong about the dissident right.

It was not really dissident.

I remember in the early days, somebody from TRS mentioned that he loved to watch Bill O’Reilly. If you are able to watch his show without throwing your remote control at him, you are not dissenting enough.

What I mean by that is that the conservative movement always had some kind of racism (especially regarding transferring wealth to the poor class which was quite black), always had a wing pushing towards some kind of culture-religion fusion, always had a lot of old people who were skittish about women’s rights, always opposed the LGBT agenda, etc. As for immigration, the Republican party conceded the issue officially, but it was clear that they would attempt to change it if circumstances were favorable enough, or if they could sneak the legislation silently.

So where is the dissent from the status quo?

The only noticeable dissent is that they wanted to be dickheads. The ordinary conservatives were usually not dickheads; they tried to be nice and civil. Think, George Bush. Bill O’ Reilly was a dickhead in a different way, the sort of characteristic boomer way of not even trying to let you say one word without shouting you down. So, I suppose TRS could vibe with that.

This dissent on the matter of how aggressive and derogatory you can be towards liberals, gays, and black people is not a real ideological or cultural movement.

Here’s what is needed for a real movement. They needed to articulate a detailed and realistic map to a better way of doing life in this world, establish somehow a rhetoric with the existing social order that is respectable&civilized enough for people to seriously engage, and build a full-fledged philosophical system from ontological roots all the way up to moral guiding principles. And this system needed to be completely novel in substantial ways compared to everything that their civilization had instituted before.

The main arguments of this movement would need to be laser-focused on the culture/civilization question. No getting off-track with Covid skepticism! The seriousness with which the culture question was argued and the gravity of the cultural threat would itself be a break from basic conservatism. Basic conservatives think that the culture can be rather easily moved with a few “good” presidents. And, they think that they can ignore the real arguments about cultural matters in favor of a strategy of attempting to humiliate and delegitimize liberal rulers by making arguments that they are somehow bad at their job and/or dumb. They seem to think that “winning” on these points will work, and will result in the culture of their dreams. Basic conservatives don’t seem to believe that the culture questions can be discussed directly due to liberals being too insane or something. So, a dissident movement needs to stay away from following the news cycle and poo-flinging at the Libs, and needs to just stay laser-focused on the ultimate question. That would be a REAL dissent from the established conservative system.

The culture arguments are extremely solid, especially if they are made in a non-derogatory manner like Eric Kaufman does. If people persist with this critique for a few decades, you will probably win the minds of many young people. It’s hard for a fresh, growing mind to avoid accepting the stronger argument in a major debate.

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Oh I know. Covid turned them all boomer. On and on and on about this stupid virus that doesn’t matter.

Like yeah OF COURSE the global system is overreacting and doing what libtards do. But they never moved on from it for over four fucking years.

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I actually write about this in my upcoming manifesto. The “Dissident” Right likes to imagine that they are very different from normie conservatives. Yet they obsessively consume the news and whine about how badly they’re losing. They get lost in conspiracy theories and trivial historical minutiae.

“Dissident Right” in practice is no better than Andrew Wilcow yelling into his microphone about “the dems.”

They aren’t very open to experience and they just go on and on and on about the same stuff we’ve heard a gazillion times. They don’t believe in themselves as intellects or problem-solvers, and as a result they expect other people to swoop in and save them.

Conservatives do not build empires, they whine about them. Most of the DR is conservative.

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I used to think like this, but I moved away from it. Syncretic politics + populism just gives you Dimes Square.

It’s not actually all that useful to convert the normies over to our particular point of view. We basically want to end democracy, and install an aristocracy filled with people who are actually sensitive.