So how is the Hitler anecdote at the beginning connected to what I’m talking about? Is there a point to this or do you have some kind of a compulsion to post unrelated walls of text for no reason?
Thanks for the psychoanalysis, you should be like a psychiatrist or something. I never asked for any answers from you, it was plainly obvious to me from the very beginning that you do not have any. What I asked you for is examples to explain your vague obfuscations and your vapid grandstanding about positivity which you accuse me of lacking. You are now on your third post here and still you have nothing. So are you going to come up with something substantive, or are you going to keep playing these rhetorical games forever?
What am I blaming you for? Please enlighten me because I do not remember blaming anyone for anything at any point. You confronted me? Are you sure about that? Because I just spent the last several posts trying to get you to stop obfuscating and actually explain your point, and you still have absolutely nothing. What do Hitler or Aarvoll have to do with any of this? Are you just copy and pasting random shit in hopes I get bored and give up? How about you stop fucking around and actually address my questions?
You have no idea what a delusional narcissist you are, texbook projection.
It’s not possible to shout over text, genius. I have spent the last several posts laying out my arguments as plainly clearly as possible, responding to everything you said point by point. In return you have only been paying games with me, you deliberately ignore all of my questions to you and instead obfuscate throw back accusations of me just being emotional, like the woman you are.
Do you think this is my first day on the internet? Do you think I don’t see right you? Do you think I haven’t already debated countless narcissists just like you? Is your plan here to just keep muddying waters and playing games until I just throw up my hands and give up? That’s not going to happen my friend.
Okay, well then lets redefine why White Nationalists don’t win.
It’s because our rhetoric has thus far been ineffective, and therefor we must adapt or perish.
How is talking about the purpose of propaganda unrelated? That is exactly what we’re trying to achieve is victory in an information war, which has everything to do with propaganda and public perception.
Good job though just calling me a narcissist when I expressed a slight bit of criticism of your position. Really emphasizes my point.
As far as blame goes, in one of your previous replies to BarelySentient, quote: “I’m not looking to change the opinions of redditors.”
You don’t actually want to change minds or sway people to be sympathetic to our cause, you just want to cause drama. We will not attract strong minds with such infantile rhetoric.
Is that so? What exactly is the point here? Seems like all of this just makes things easier for me, does it not? Considering many white already have personal experience with blacks to prime them.
Indeed, so what’s your point? Propaganda is a waste of time? I should do nothing?
What the hell are you even talking about here? Am I supposed to convince every single person in the world or else I already lost? Do you think that’s how convincing people works? I you successfully changing the minds of every single person you come across? I am certain you are just messing with me now.
That’s not at all what I said, in fact I explicitly stated that that was reality. My point was that you are ignoring another reality in the process, that being that most people have been raised around non-whites, have non-white friends or family, and aren’t as likely to be swayed by just watching worldstar videos.
Most Whites have positive experiences with minorities, or at least enough proximity that they overlook their faults.
And again, I didn’t say propaganda was pointless, as I’ve been saying since the beginning that we should revise how we approach the issue.
You don’t have to convince every single person, but if you want to be receptive to as many people as possible, you need to play the game more strategically.
Do you understand how propaganda works? You send out a message, some people will respond well, others will rejected. You’re telling me if I can’t convince literally every single person that I have already lost? Are you joking?
Once again, my point is that you are not talking about anything. All you did was a bunch of vague grandstanding about positive messages, and when I asked you to be specific and elaborate you gave me a video of a sad penguin and accused me blaming you somehow.
Again, we are half a dozen posts and an not a single criticism in sight. I have asked you again and again to make a coherent point and you’ve ignore me.
Incredible, it’s like you took the words right out of my mouth.
Indeed, so then what? Do nothing because some people can’t be convinced? What’s your point?
Indeed, why don’t you go ahead and make a point now. I am waiting patiently.
Actually that’s exactly what you said.
Yes, I’ve been hearing this from the beginning, and when I asked you to be specific you told me to stop being emotional.
Wow, really? Go ahead and give me an example. Just one example. Literally just one. Go ahead and try make a single coherent point beyond just “youre not being positive enough”
That is literally not what I have been saying. You don’t have to convince every single person, but you should construct your optics in a way that accounts for the fact that Every Single Person will in fact be interacting and responding to the propaganda you do decide to disseminate.
The population as it is now has multiple kinds of heuristics in place to prevent them from even engaging with any of our ideas. The main one is the notion that White Supremacists are all Violent Extremists. Regardless of the validity of this claim, when people immediately see somebody spreading racial violence videos, it is going to activate those heuristics and they cognitively will just shut down.
So we have to work around the armor. If our appeals are to Freedom of Association, Heritage, the preservation of History, these values are more likely to garner sympathy from the general public. When they aren’t actively hostile towards us, they are more likely to listen to us and hear what we have to say. If we don’t first wait until their guard is down, then we’re just going to keep bumping into those walls like a childhood video game character who knocks himself unconscious every time he tests the perimeters of the game.
This is again why I cited RTTL, because their propaganda has been far more effective in stirring up conversation and garnering sympathy for our cause. The points made about land ownership especially resonate with people currently struggling in the housing market, and it makes clear to many Leftists or Reddit types that we might not actually be a servant of the System, but can be a valuable ally in opposing the system.
Right, and if people don’t respond well, you change your strategy so as to be more receptive to more people. This is again, not to convince these people, but to gather more Public Acknowledgement than would otherwise be achieved.
When you show them videos of violence, they shut down, the event gets forgotten, and that’s the end of discussion.
When you show them valid political points that play into the current socio-political climate of our time: Housing, Personal Liberties, Food Availability, History, Culture, etc. Suddenly we’re being mentioned in more political spheres, we gain more relevance, we cling to the minds of all who witness us and become far more difficult for them to let go.
Interesting assumption, do you have any basis for this?
Is that so? Why don’t you go ahead an make some propaganda about the importance of heritage. Am I stopping you?
I don’t see how anything in that quote has anything to do with what I am talking about? You think European music is cool? Okay, go play the violin then. Have fun.
I should also mention that, when they do mention or talk about us then, they do so in more positive terms. Instead of saying “Hey heres a nazi who goes out beating up blacks and shouting racial slurs” they say “Hey, there are these White Nationalists fighting for the legal right to discriminate in who they sell land to”.
That slight shift in rhetoric makes all the difference, because nobody is going to agree with the former, but for the latter, they might say “Well, I don’t agree with them, but I don’t believe they’re doing anything so wrong that the government should step in and force them to change.”
Okay, then go spread your little USB files buddy.
Nobody is stopping you from doing that either.
But then why bother posting this on a public messaging forum if you don’t want any kind of feedback whatsoever? If you just want to vent that’s fine, but that’s not going to stop me from expressing my own ideas as this website exist for.
You literally have nothing. I have spent the last hour trying to squeeze a single coherent point out of you and you have done nothing but play games with me. It astounds me that you’re still going.
changing someones opinions is difficult by design and shouldnt be the priority, not even the left does this they just enforce their agenda to already like-minded people. people come to their own conclusions based on how much they want to acquire knowledge, and propaganda is what will help such people. thats the focus, general propaganda, not debating one person or trying to prove your ideals, but really just shoving them down throats and if they have some will to change they will at least search about it, and if dont they wont change their minds anyway.
